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Doug Bates's avatar

Are you sure about the claim: "Epicureans value freedom from anxiety just as much as Stoics"? It seems to me that the Stoics value it less than the Epicureans do. On this subject you might want to look at criticisms of William Irvine's "A Guide to the Good Life" in which he presents an interpretation of Stoicism that places high value on freedom from anxiety.

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James Daltrey's avatar

You have failed in your understanding of what virtue is, as such your discussion fails to address the Stoic position at all:

Virtue is knowledge: knowledge of what is to be done and why.

Your analogy collapses completely in the absence of knowing why you are travelling to Houston,

If you are travelling to Houston for a pleasant weekend with your friends, (which is fine and perfectly in accordance with nature for the Stoics), in the absence of knowing how to get to Houston or how to enjoy your time there with your friends, or who your friends are and why you are friends with them, going to Houston is a pointless activity in and of itself.

The point of virtue being an end un itself is that it does not depend on you getting to Houston or enjoying yourself, but it is all about knowing why you should be going to where you are getting to and how to live a good life.

If you don't know any of that, you're not capable of living a good life at all.

If you don't know who you are or why you are going where you are going, what you are going there to achieve, how you are to achieve it, or even if it can be achieved by going there, WTF are you doing at all?

So a D minus for your attempt:

For your information

Wisdom (phronesis) is a knowledge of what things must be done and what must not be done and of what are neither, or a knowledge of what are good things and what are bad and what are neither for a naturally political creature (and they prescribe that it is to be so understood with regard to the other virtues);

Self-restraint (Temperance) is a knowledge of what things are worth choosing and what are worth avoiding and what are neither;

Justice is a knowledge of apportioning to each its due;

Bravery (Courage)  is a knowledge of what things are terrible and what are not and what are neither;

Stupidity is ignorance of what things are good and what are bad and what are neither, or ignorance of what things are to be done and what not to be done and what are neither;

Lack of restraint is ignorance of what things are worth choosing and what are worth avoiding and what are neither;

Injustice is ignorance not apportioning to each its due;

Cowardice is ignorance of what things are terrible and what are not and what are neither.

They define the other virtues and vices as well in a similar fashion, keeping to what has been stated.

More generally, they say that virtue is a disposition of the soul in harmony with itself concerning one’s whole life.

Arius Didymus (Stobaeus Epitome of Stoic Ethics)

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